Tuesday, February 18, 2014

The Green Party values

We blogged yesterday about Russel Norman's personal attack on Colin Craig. Whether or not it's a good idea for Craig to sue Norman, if he feels that he has been defamed, he has a right to a legal remedy.

So that was yesterday. Today Metiria Turei has, whilst Question Time was proceeding, launched a personal attack on John Key, albeit a pretty lame one; check this out:

"So why is this newsworthy?" you may ask. Well Dear Readers; the Greens describe themselves as the party of principle, and above things like personal attacks. And they are so passionate about that, they have a statement of values; here 'tis:

Is there any point in having values if your co-leaders openly flout them? Is calling the Prime Minister "Mr Scaredy Cat" REALLY a good example of Value #6 which requires members to "Engage respectfully, without personal attacks"?

We don't think that the Greens are the party of principle at all; not any more, at least. They may have been in the days of Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald, but under the leadership of Metiria Turei and Russel Norman, things have gone downhill fast.

The Greens are quick to try and seize the moral high ground on all sorts of issues, but it's a piece of ground they have no right to claim to inhabit. It's just a charade.


Missy said...

As well as the breach of their own party values, what we have here is an MP who cried racism when she was the subject of personal criticism using social media to call the PM names. Once again Metiria is showing her complete immaturity, as co-leader of a party that professes to be above personal attacks and criticisms of opponents, going so far as to publicly berate them, she is indulging in petty name calling and personal attacks. The Greens co-leaders are two of the biggest hypocrites in Parliament today, what would Rod Donald think of their recent behaviour?

bsprout said...

I guess calling Key Mr Scaredy Cat in a tweet to another opposition MP is pretty vicious stuff and Russel called him a chicken a while ago when he refused to answer questions directed to him.

While I accept it doesn't seem to fit the principles you put up I think you will agree it is pretty mild stuff and if you knew Metiria and Russel you would probably consider it cheeky rather than really nasty.

I also note that the Greens are often singled out as being the "principled" party, does this mean that the others are not? Does National have a code of conduct, or is it anything goes as long as one can get away with it?

But Metirias comments are obviously upsetting you so I am am happy to suggest to both of them that they should tone it down.

Keeping Stock said...

Why advertise your values on your party website bsprout when the leaders just ignore them?

They're not upsetting me in the slightest btw; holding them to account for what they profess to believe in is one of my missions in life ;-)

J Bloggs said...

Just to be picky - it's flout, not flaunt.

Flout (flaʊt)

verb: flout; 3rd person present: flouts; past tense: flouted; past participle: flouted; gerund or present participle: flouting

1. openly disregard (a rule, law, or convention).
"the advertising code is being flouted"

synonyms: defy, refuse to obey, go against, rebel against, scorn, disdain, show contempt for, fly in the face of, thumb one's nose at, make a fool of.

Having said that: this Green party leadership is a far cry from thier predecessors. I developed a lot of respect for Jeanette and Rod over the time they were in parliament, and I've always maintained that Rod's untimely death was a disaster for the NZ Green's cause. Russel and Meteria are poor replacements

Keeping Stock said...

I stand corrected J Bloggs. I meant "flout" but sometimes my fingers have a mind of their own.

And I agree wholeheartedly with your closing remarks. I wonder how bsprout feels about that.

Ursula said...

"I also note that the Greens are often singled out as being the "principled" party......

The "principled" party is a self-rating, which is why it attracts comment.

"Do as we say, not as we do" is probably a more accurate assessment of the (cheeky,cough)Greens .

Keeping Stock said...

You're not suggesting that the Greens demand standards of others that they don't keep themselves are you Ursula? That sounds positively Winston Peters-like....

adamsmith1922 said...

The Greens are an un principled group of sanctimonious hypocrites

Keeping Stock said...

Don't you mean "hippy-crites" Adam?

bsprout said...

It is nice that Rod and Jeanette's reputations are so strong and while I wouldn't like to sully their reputation I remember Rod being spoken to from members in the Party for comments not much different from Russel's.

Here is Rod putting the US in its place no differently from what Russel continues to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz7-ftJjRUo

While I hold Rod and Jeanette in the highest regard I thought it was interesting that many thought it would be the end of the Green Party when Russel and Metiria replaced them. Interestingly we have never been so popular in the polls (averaging 12%) and Russel has been referred to as the real opposition leader. Jane Cliften (rarely complimentary of the Greens) thinks Metiria is more than a match for Judith Collins.

I guess we will have to wait and see who will really run the dirtiest campaign this election and given who Key gets his most of his intelligence from (Slater), I guess we can already predict.

Keeping Stock said...

and given who Key gets his most of his intelligence from (Slater)

Oh dear bsprout. That was almost a very good comment until you over-egged the pudding with the last bit.

And if it's dirty tricks you're after, you only have to look to the Labour Party. You'd think that after six years and two election defeats they'd have learned that calling John Key a rich prick and slagging him off at every turn doesn't work.

Anonymous said...

Groucho Marx once said that "if you don't like my principles, have I meant more!"


Duncan Brown said...

Yet more trivia, but then, one would expect that Question Time would also be listening to the answers time. Smart Alecs at the back of the class mentality

Keeping Stock said...

I agree Duncan. Personally, I believe that Standing Orders should expressly prohibit the use of social media whilst MP's are in the House. As taxpayers, we deserve better from those whose lifestyles we fund.

jabba said...

oh wow .. bspout is now linking Cam with National as though Cam is a top adviser or something .. gee wizzzz, that is what silly Guyton is repeating .. Heyclint, your emails are getting through to your cult members.