
A picture, so they say, tells a thousand words. The picture above is both poignant and symbolic, as people came together to mourn those who died in last Tuesday's quake and to ponder the way ahead.
Take a close look at the centre of the photo; to Bob Parker's right is Labour leader Phil Goff; to his left in PM John Key and his wife Bronagh. The political foes stood together in a show of unity yesterday.
This is more symbolic than one might think. Over at No Minister, The Veteran notes the snub that Helen Clark delivered to other party leaders when Willie Apiata was invested with his Victoria Cross; none was invited. The contrast yesterday could not have been more stark.
Rebuilding Christchurch in whatever form it takes is going to take a large degree of political unity and goodwill. It is going to require innovative solutions, and clearly, because successive governments will stump up the lion's share of the cost, it is in everyone's interest for there to be political consensus. We believe that John Key is the right man at the right time to drive that; he's not a "career politician" like so many others from both sides of the House, and he plays the game by a different set of rules. That will, in our opinion, be to everyone's benefit.
Of course, that's not going to stop the sniping around the margins. This post from Cactus Kate is well worth a read as she takes The Standard to task for a series of highly political posts since the earthquake which have encouraged commenters to take a free hit at Key, Gerry Brownlee et al. We blogged about one such post last week, and we note this morning that the comment about which we were critical is still there, unmoderated, despite a wealth of criticism from subsequent commenters.
Constructive criticism is fine, but unbridled vitriol is another thing altogether. If ever there was a need for New Zealanders of all races, creeds and political persuasions to stand together it is now, as the country comes to terms with the magnitude of last Tuesday.
47 comments:
Agree, IV2.
Am onboard the Cactus' campaign to eviscerate The Strandard. Their "compassion" and restraint has been laughable and it's time that these people, who use peoples lives as tools to push their agenda, are taken to task.
Thank you Standard for giving me a focal point of anger.
"This is more symbolic than one might think".
No Inv2. It's no more symbolic than it appears and it's a simple thing, having the leaders of the two biggest political parties attend an event like this.
With regard the Standard, you seem to have forgotten what 'opposition' entails, so I'll remind you what it isn't - wide-eyed lap-doggery, saccharine praise and fawning adoration. Xchequer too has lost the plot over what blogs that support one party or the other do - they criticise, as yours does here Inv2.I look forward to watching his attempts to 'eviscerate' the Standard very much and will report back the results to keep you in the loop. The arrogance with which people declare that we must all 'put politics aside' for a period that they declare appropriate is astonishing!
wide-eyed lap-doggery, saccharine praise and fawning adoration.
That's actually a pretty good description of The Standard's support of the left RG.
BTW; would YOU let a comment such as what follows pass without moderation?
Mr Key will try to make capital out of this disaster – and if the electorate has any balls they wont let the conniving little lowlife gambler get away with it … he can make his impassioned speeches all he wants … the only people worth any accolades are the Cantabrians and those who are helping out … he is just an overdressed BMW buying piece of shit scraped off the bottom of the collective new zealand shoe.
While we all struggle – and Christchurch suffers – Johnny, Maxie, floosie and Bronagh can bugger off to Hawaii and then wait to go to the UK for the wedding … i mean shit happens – but hey i’ve got shitloads of money and the polls say people love me ….
That comment was made on The Standard at 10.11pm on Wednesday 23/2 - a mere 34 hours after the earthquake, and at a time when the living were still being rescued. I'll tell you this for nothing; I would NOT have. That almost one week later none of The Standard's moderators have deemed that comment worthy of censure, but they have moderated subsequent comments on the same thread suggests to me that they do not disagree with the view expressed.
Oh, and as an aside RG, don't forget that XChequer is a resident of Christchurch directly affected by the quake. One of his posts the other day said
And it's understandable. Everyone is on edge. Everyone is waiting for something. Whether it's for a loved one to return, a body to be unearthed, a cup of water at the welfare station or a building to collapse, we are all hanging on by our fingertips.
And sometimes you've just gotta wave your arms.
I have no real concept of what he is going through; I'm happy to cut him some slack.
"the only people worth any accolades are the Cantabrians and those who are helping out"
Sounds as though the author of the comment you would delete is empassioned in the same way as Exchequer, Inv2.
He doesn't like Key "the conniving little lowlife gambler" but does he have to Inv2? Has Key attained God-like status because of the quake, if so, why? He mentions the BMW 'incident' - is there a ban on mentioning stuff-ups by Key and his Government now?
There's no reason not to be political at this time...it's the small-minded, petty, spiteful business-as-usual stuff over at the Labour Fanzine that raises my anger.
As an example, take a stroll over to PC's place:
http://pc.blogspot.com/2011/03/business-of-christchurch-was-business.html
Now *that's* how to have a mature, reasoned political debate about issues around the rebuild.
I heard a snippet of Goff on the wireless this morning, carping about "ideologically driven policy" being brought in under the cover of the disaster. Yeah(thought I)...and the soak-the-rich tax hikes wouldn't be ideologically driven at all, would they?
The Standard eh! What spiteful Lefties they are over there! Kiwiblog, on the other hand, is peopled by good, honest hard-working Right-wing folk who would never stoop to politicising.
Robert - I'm only talking about the authors...KiwiBlog is peopled by one bloke.
I don't think it's worth drawing any kind of conclusions from commenters otherwise I may as well bash Inv for the nutbar lefty (last compliment you're getting from me) that comments here.
Fair enough James, though I hear the refrain 'It's my blog and I'll post whatever I choose on it' often enough from bloggers on the right :-)
Thanks for the compliment - I'll treasure it always.
Inv2 - it could be that those comments come from people who live in Canterbury and like Exchequer, are distraught about many things and express their anger through their blogs.
What does the "It's my blog and..." have to do with anything?
Freedom of speech does not mean an exemption from people criticising the content of that speech.
Gosh Robert! Thanks for the heads up to my state of mind. I'll bear your obvious expertise in psychiatry and psychology in mind and will moderate all posts accordingly. These are obvious signs of my........ how did you put it? Oh, yes. My "plot lossage"
Arrogant twat!
(sorry IV2)
And Robert, before you jump on your high horse, just cast your mind back to 8.04am this morning and have think about who started out with the personal attacks.
The only arrogant one here is YOU ROBERT.
I2 I disagree.
Christchurch stopped, the world didn't.
The nasty, dishonest little left-wing shits should not be expected to behave as anything other than the nasty, dishonest little left-wing shits they are and, of course their equally dishonest supporters should not be expected to do other than defend them.
It would be even more dishonest of them to do otherwise.
Inv2 criticises the Standard for 'encouraging commenters to take a free hit at Key, Gerry Brownlee et al.'
That's what bloggers do, provide opportunities for their commenters to comment. That's what Farrar does. That's what Inv2 does. Why he's calling for the Standard to remove a comment, I don't know! Does he not believe that it's their own business? Would he like the authors of the Standard to be demanding that he remove a comment on Keeping Stock?
I commented on Cactus Kate's blog but she has a delayed moderation policy that means comments take forever to appear.
Here's what I said:
"Cactus - seems to me you are erronously comparing the actions of some left-wing bloggers with the actions of Government MPs.
The argument isn't that lefty bloggers can say what they like and right-wing bloggers can't, but that bloggers can criticise the Government, despite a calamity.
Isn't it?
Robert Guyton
What are centre right bloggers meant to do? Ignore the absolute drivel from left wing blogs about the earthquake? You will find that it was left wing blogs that started politicizing the quake. Right wing blogs waited a suitable amount of time and then attacked the nonsense. Thats a large difference. The left wing blogs started immediately with calls to hike taxes and then attacked John Key. Immediately as in before the first victim was even named. Disgusting.
"What are centre right bloggers meant to do? Ignore the absolute drivel from left wing blogs about the earthquake?"
Of course!
Why do you go there if it upsets you?
And why do you report back here on their drivel?
@ Robert (12.49pm) - as you'd be only too aware, I will delete comments that cross the line, largely because Blogger doesn't have an edit feature for the blog owner to use.
@ Anon (3.19pm) - I agree; the comment that angered me so much was written not much more than 24 hours after the earthquake, and was not the only highly offensive/bordeline defamatory comment written by the commenter.
Oh, and Robert; you always have questions for me, but you still haven't answered the one I posed to you at 8.14am. I wait with bated breath!
Inv2 asks:
"Would YOU let a comment such as what follows pass without moderation?
Mr Key will try to make capital out of this disaster – and if the electorate has any balls they wont let the conniving little lowlife gambler get away with it … he can make his impassioned speeches all he wants … the only people worth any accolades are the Cantabrians and those who are helping out … he is just an overdressed BMW buying piece of shit scraped off the bottom of the collective new zealand shoe.
While we all struggle – and Christchurch suffers – Johnny, Maxie, floosie and Bronagh can bugger off to Hawaii and then wait to go to the UK for the wedding … i mean shit happens – but hey i’ve got shitloads of money and the polls say people love me …."
Yes.
Why wouldn't I? It's his or her expression of frustration over and mistrust of Key, mistrust that many people feel. The comments from people here and on other similarly coloured blogs saying 'How low can you go' or 'this disrespects the dead' are emotional nonsense. There is no intention overt or covert that I can see, to do anything of the sort. The person who made this comment may well have been as affected by the disaster as much as anyone other blog-follower and was expressing their anger and frustration by giving a serve to someone he doesn't like or trust. How do you know that's not the case?
Quick to condemn someone who criticises your hero, you blue fellas!
Thanks for your honesty Robert. I don't share your view, not that you will be surprised by that. There is a time and a place for everything, and the comment I highlighted (and there was more) was, IMHO offensive and defamatory in the circumstances.
And just whist is it that's behind the left's hatred of Key for having accumulated some wealth, and owning property offshore?
"I commented on Cactus Kate's blog but she has a delayed moderation policy that means comments take forever to appear."
Cactus has a day job, a social life and lives in Hong Kong which is on a different time zone.
She doesn't spend all day and night in front of her computer.
Quite so Ele; but the comment is up now, together with a response to RG.
She's still not put it up though.
Tardy as.
I note that she has a link on her blog that says "Best MP in the World - Rodney Hide" so at least she gets points for comedy!
Refresh your browser RG; it's been visible for almost four hours. But here's what CK said to you:
Blogger Cactus Kate said...
RG- the Stranded are paid lap bloggers for the left, they have log-in ID's and frequently change their style. For all we know they are LAbour MP's in disguise.
I have always maintained Red Alert's reaction to be reasonable so I'm asking wtf with The Stranded?
4:26 AM, March 03, 2011
"they have log-in ID's and frequently change their style. For all we know they are LAbour MP's in disguise."
She's a Conspiracy Theory loon!
Hilarious!
Frequently change their style!
Look out!!!
Probably terrorists!
Get them (dust off the dunking stool!)
Inv2 - please read this and please give it some deep consideration.
http://robertwinter.blogspot.com/2011/03/get-you-nasty-leftist-paws-off-our-day.html
It's an interesting piece Robert, and thanks for the link. I don't view it though with quite the same fawning praise that you do.
My issue is as much about the lack of response to offensive comments as it is to the posts themselves. You didn't see anything wrong with the comment that I highlighted; I did. It was offensive IMHO. Your standards may be different, but that is your issue, not mine.
And in reply, Robert:
http://thenzhomeoffice.blogspot.com/2011/03/trotter-apologises-for-left.html
Thanks X - I'd already read your piece earlier but appreciate your heads up.
Whale's post btw, was quite foolish, in my view.
I used to be a sheep farmer.
Why am I reminded of blowflies?
David
Forgot to clean out under your fingernails?
Didn't scrape your boots?
Who knows?
Do blowflies know they are blowflies?
Or do they just do what they do because that is all they know?
David
Perhaps those things you believe to be blowflies are really floaters inside your own eyeball.
You're really putting the philosophical questions to us today David!
Or do blowflies ever wish that they were greenflies, or vice versa?
The plot thickens...
http://www.imperatorfish.com/2011/03/everythings-political.html
Scott's a clear-headed fellow Inv2.
@ RG - your comments are welcome; your propensity for telling us what to read via the placement of links (which you do not deem worthy of blogging on yourself) is less so.
Not sure about the greenfly/blowfly interchange.
Still a pest, which both seem to thrive on.
David
You might find an answer in here David - about 3/4 of the way down ;)
appreciate the links Mr Guyton, led me to some intereting reading and the confirmation that Invention never manages to delve into any issue with the intention of teasing out truth or rational action. Was this whole thread about a comment on The Standard? Wow, never mind the pink elephant in the corner eh Invention?
Santa.
You are very welcome Santa. Those links are intended to supplement the discussion here. Readers like David and co. aren't bound to follow them, nor is Inv2, though he'll do well to at least take a look, scary though that might be!
Bloody hell!
What a thread!
I've gotta come here more often.
Please do Shunda; the more, the merrier!
Robert, what price is admission to your world? (and I do not mean Riverton). The more epigrams of yours I read, the more astonished I become.
What are your terms and conditions of entry?
If I visit, can I leave?
What if I suffer buyers remorse?
Sadly, I suspect I cannot afford the fare. The compassion component alone must be cosmic in scale.
Ford Anglia (the other one)
Ford
Welcome aboard, no charge, no blame.
You will need a liking for the ridiculous and a sense of devil-may-care.
Have you a humbug radar and a feel for cut of a man's jib?
And a car to get from place to place?
RG - you should be old enough to remember that a Ford Anglia ALWAYS got to its destination - eventually!
Now that you've had a chat with the Standard moderators, do you hold the same view Inv2?
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